Saturday, May 21, 2016

Air Con Installer - Part 2

In part 2, I'm going to share about what I've gathered on Gain City (GC). To get similar specifications as what I asked from AD for MXY-4A28VA / MSY-GE10VA X3 + MSY-GE24VA, I would have to pay around $4,584. The price includes upgrading to 1/2 inch insulation (class 1 Armaflex) at $160, G22 copper pipe at $80 and $85 for additional trip.

Usually two trips installation is recommended as the first trip is to remove old piping/aircons and install new piping, and second trip is to install the new aircons after renovation has completed. The reason is that if you install the new aircons before renovation is completed, they may get very dusty and it won't be good for us when the aircons blow out dusty air. By default, GC only offers one trip, so you would need to top up if you need another trip.

While the 5 years extended warranty doesn't have catch like you have to buy servicing package from them, it does have other catch... We were told that the extended warranty would only cover up to a certain amount and once you reach that amount, the extended warranty would cease. If we want to have unlimited amount during the 5 years period, we would have to top up $129.

GC is one of the popular choices that many people go for but still, we decided to drop them from our consideration because
  1. The price is on the high side.
  2. I read quite a number of "horror stories" about GC on online forums and blogs. Example, I saw some comments talking about they pushing from one party to another party when something happened, so pointless to have warranty when you cannot get them to do the repairs. I also read how the installer damaged wardrobe/cupboard and another case whereby installer damaged the floor tile, and they cannot complain to GC to ask for compensation as the installers are the ones having to pay for any damage.
Please read my reviews/findings with a pinch of salt as your expectation and budget may be different from us. What we find expensive or not good, you may not feel so.

Upcoming next, I'll share with you about the recommended materials to use for air con installation based on what I gathered from my online research before I share more about other air con installers.

Thursday, May 19, 2016

Air Con Installer - Part 1

I have been "hunting" around for a reliable and responsive air con installer to install a Mitsubishi Starmex System 4 for my house, so I started to ask shops/companies to give me a quote based on the following requirements. As my house's existing air-cons were serviced by Aircon Designs (AD), I asked my hubby to call them up to give us a quote. The company told him that they would first need to do a site survey before giving us a quote, so we arranged for a site survey. Subsequently, the sales executive quoted us the following.

MXY-4A28VA / MSY-GE10VA X2 + MSY-GE13VA + MSY-GE26VA at $4,450 nett.

To supply labour & material to install 1 set of Mit StarMEX inverter multi split wall mounted type A/C complete with 1/2" Thermaflex class "O" insulation, refrigerant G23 copper piping, diameter 16mm drainpipe, 3 core 40 Keystone control wire, 2.5mm wiring from condenser to isolator, PVC casing at expose area, vacuum system, charging in refrigerant gas, testing and commissioning

Compressor 5 yrs, Fancoil/Spare Parts 1 yr warranty by agent.
Installation workmanship 1 yr warranty.

I asked the sales executive to quote me for MXY-4A28VA / MSY-GE10VA X3 + MSY-GE24VA and the price was $4,390, which is only a savings of $60 for downsizing the 13VA to a 10VA and the 26VA to a 24VA. I also asked him if he could bundle in any free servicing since we have been their customer for so long (they installed our existing air-cons and been doing the servicing for the past many years), he told me "NO"! Oh well, so we gathered that there is no need to be loyal to any particular company.

As I've been researching quite a bit on the materials used for air-con installation, I asked the guy why G22 is not used. The reply was that it's because G22 is 0.71mm and G23 is 0.61mm, is 0.1mm thicker and for HDB, there is a lot of 90 degree bend, so G23 holds up better than G22. Well, I'm not quite sure if the reply was exactly correct... I found out from the web that G22 is harder to bend, so an installer needs to use a pipe bender to bend and the result will be a nicely bent pipe. If the installer uses hands to bend the pipe, it may result in some acute angle. Hence, are they trying to avoid using G22 so that they can do the job instead?

If we want to upgrade to G22, we would have to pay an additional $50 per set of piping. I figured it would probably end up to be around 4.5k if we were to engage them. Well, since they don't appreciate customer's loyalty, we decided to get more quotations for comparison. After comparing AD with few other companies, we decided to drop them from our consideration because
  1. The price is on the high side.
  2. There is no freebies to sweeten the deal for a long time customer.
  3. The reply on why G22 is not used doesn't fully convinced us.
I'm revealing the company name for some of the air con installers since we have already ruled them out based on our evaluation. Up next will be Part 2 of the Air Con Installer Series, and it will be on Gain City (GC), so stay tuned...

SPSL aka PUB Testing for Electrical Rewiring

Since I've been living in my current house for coming to 16 years and very likely that I'm going to continue staying here for another 10 years, so a friend advised me to do electrical rewiring for my whole house. After discussing with hubby, we took up the friend's advice and have been hunting around for an electrician to do the work, which of course, we have found someone to do the job at a reasonable price of 3+k.

I've been lurking around in Renotalk forum searching for aircon deals, advice on where to buy kitchen sink, hob, etc, so I pondered upon a thread discussing about electrical stuff. I saw some people asking if the price quoted by the electrician is reasonable, whether PUB testing is required, etc. Hence, I replied to one of the postings saying that it is not necessary to do PUB testing based on my discussion with several electricians. Well, I was countered by another forum member saying that it's a must by the Act. Therefore, I decided to explore further on this PUB testing topic, especially I could not find much or any sharing on this on the Internet.

Based on what I gathered from various sources, it's NOT a must! 
  • Hubby's cousin, who was our ID 16 years ago but is now handling only commercial renovation, told us that it's good to do the testing if doing rewiring for the whole house to safeguard yourself but there's certain requirements to follow in order to pass the testing. If you do not have testing done, you may face problem when you want to sell your HDB flat as they may ask or your insurance may not compensate you if a fire broke out. Do note that it's just MAY
  • Our electrician told us that if you need PUB testing to be done, he told us that he needs to install an additional "black" thing for every lighting point and that would add $5 for every point. For points in carpentry works, cannot conceal it until you cannot see the casing/wiring, rationale is that one may accidentally drill into a wiring if you cannot see the casing/wiring. The DB box need to shift down to eye level (1.8m if I remembered it correctly), which means we can no longer have it installed at the current location and if the wire from our DB box to the main board outside is not long enough to connect to the new location, we would have to engage HDB to do a new wiring that would easily cost us about $400. Note that we only asked him based on our needs, so there may be more requirements to meet than what I mentioned here, such as those in the false ceiling, which we did not pursue further as we have decided to remove our existing false ceiling.
  • Since installing electrical in a carpentry works pose an issue, we asked our ID. He jokingly told us that during his 9 years working experience as an ID, none of his customers staying in HDB flat had done any PUB testing, mostly those staying in private asked for it. He said guidelines are just guidelines, HDB is more concerned with works such as hacking of wall, concealing, etc.
What does HDB state on their website then? From what I read, testing of new wiring is required for "Additional lighting points/ fan points/ 13amps power points or extension of wiring/ rewiring". Strictly speaking, it means even if you just add a new electrical point, testing is required too, isn't it? It's not just rewiring that requires testing. Hence, any flat owner, be it you buy a new or resale flat, you would probably need to do the testing as most people would have installed at least a new point to cater to your needs. 

If you scroll down HDB website further, you would see a section on "Television Points". If strictly follow the guidelines, only a licensed StarHub Cable Vision (SCV) installer can alter or extend the original TV points, no electrician, not even a LEW can touch the TV points but why are there so many IDs/contractors/electricians can quote you for installation of TV points?

Singapore is a country governed by many laws, rules and regulations, and mechanisms/systems are put in placed to ensure that citizens follow them, especially if it's a die die must do. I would believe that if it's indeed a must by an ACT, probably HDB would have provisioned for this under some kind of "permit", at least that's what hubby and I think.

Well, the intention of bloging this topic is to share with people what I've found out based on my conversation with several people and read from the Internet. This is not to say that you can skip PUB testing; I don't have the authority to say that. You would have to assess for yourself, afterall it's your house that you and your family live in, not mine! Importantly, you need to find out the details from your electrician/ID/contractor on what PUB testing means to you, as in how would it affect your renovation, especially if you are going to conceal the wiring, install false ceiling, installing lighting in your carpentry, etc. Do not just sign on a contract with PUB testing listed as an item just because you are told that you need to do so and end up facing issue with your renovation when you cannot do certain things due to the requirements to pass PUB testing. It is better to clarify any doubt with the electrician/ID/contractor before signing on the dotted line to avoid any unhappy dispute later on. 

Not Naming Any Contractor Yet!

Well, if you have read my earlier posts since "Our Renovation Journey", you probably would have noticed that I didn't specifically mention the company names. However, the abbreviations I used are in a way "connected" to the company names.

I'm not naming any company name yet as the actual renovation works would only start on 30 May. It's too early to say if XXX is good or bad because companies/contractors are usually good in their pre-sales, which otherwise, people probably wouldn't have selected them in the first place. Well, IS and HA are considered good in their pre-sales and during discussions. I would have to assess when the actual works start but a good start during discussion stage is good!

For reviews, do continue to read my blog... Disclaimer: I do not get paid in any form if I do rave about any contractor. Likewise, it's my personal experience if I b*t*h about any particular contractor, which you may have a different experience, so if anything that I've written doesn't go well with you, just moved on and away from my blog. :-)

Wednesday, May 18, 2016

Our First Major Purchase!

Since we have confirmed on the ID, it's time to do some shopping and researching for plumber, electrician and air-con company. No idea where to start off first, I just "wandered" about in Internet, particularly Renotalk forum. By chance, I came upon a thread that discussed about kitchen sink and the much discussed sink was Kraus brand that people bought and shipped it back from Amazon US. Yup, you heard it right! 

The first few people who bought a Kraus sink actually paid for the shipping fees as it was not entitled to free shipping to Singapore, then someone shared that she managed to get the shipping fees waived! Now that's a pretty attractive deal if shipping fees (it's a whopping USD 250+!) can be waived, so many people tried to get it waived and most of them succeeded doing so. 

With all the good reviews and comments about unlikely to get such a good solid stainless steel sink at ~SGD500 locally, I decided to join the Kraus sink gang on Renotalk forum as well, haha... I wrote in, with a "story", to seek for a waiver of the shipping fees and yay, the CSO granted me an one-time exception based on that I'm a valued customer. I have been their customer for quite a long period, started my Amazon spreeing since 2007 when Jake was born.

I placed my order for a Kraus KHU100-32 32 inch Undermount Single Bowl 16 gauge Stainless Steel Kitchen Sink on 26 Apr and oh mine, they were fast! I received the sink on 3 May. The box arrived with no visible dent. We would usually see boxes with a "fragile" label if they contain fragile items. For this, you see a "heavy" label instead. 

We opened the box to check the sink itself. It took a bit of time and efforts to check as after you opened up the carton box, you see a styrofoam box, after opening it, you see a big black bag, open it up, tadah... The sink is shiny and looks real solid! As for the review on the sink, well... it has to wait, of course! For now, based on what I can see and feel, getting it for <SGD 450 is definitely a good buy!

Signing Contract with IS

We met up with IS on 10 Apr to finalise the job scopes that we were going to award to him. Due to budget consideration/constraint, we removed the followings:

  • Feature wall that we wanted to cover the bomb shelter door - Initially, I thought we could do it since we have more savings now as compared to back then but after looking at the cost and our budget, we still decided to drop it. Well, we didn't have it done in 2000 and we figured we could live without it for another 16 years. Not forgetting that I'm no longer working, so to build up savings will be slow with just a single income.
  • Headboards for the platform beds in all bedrooms - They were proposed by IS but we felt that a mattress on the platform storage is good enough, so we removed them to keep our budget healthy.
  • Windows, window grilles and doors - We are getting a windows contractor (see previous post here) to do them to save some money to be used on other purposes.
Plumbing and electrical works were not included in the quote as we are free to choose our own plumber and electrician.

Stay tuned for more updates on our renovation journey!

Windows Contractor

As this is our second time doing house renovation, we know that ID charges a "premium" for the things that you ask the ID to do for you. Back in 2000 when we did our first renovation to current house, we already know this as my hubby's cousin is an ID (he was our ID then but he has now moved on to do commercial renovation business). Back then, we already split the pie and gotten different contractors to do works that could be done on its own.

The windows have to be replaced as some of the handles had already broken and some could no longer close properly without exerting some strength. These windows were the original ones installed by HDB; they had been in used for 16 years! Finally, I can change them to white powder coated. As the window grilles are also aluminium just like the windows, we are changing them to white powder coated too.

When I saw the first quotation provided by IS to replace the windows and window grilles for our whole house (except for the toilets), I knew I had to get a windows contractor to give me a quote for comparison. Hence, I did some research on the Internet and contacted one (to be known as HA here) that seemed to have quite good reviews. An appointment was fixed! He came, understood my requirements, did some measurements and gave me a quote on the spot. The price difference between IS's quote and HA's quote was easily more than $500. Hence, after discussing with my hubby, we decided to get HA to do the job. 

IS proposed pd door for our toilets but after searching for reviews on this, we decided not to go for it. We opted for bi-fold door instead. Since HA also sells bi-fold doors and is selling at a cheaper price than IS, we decided to get HA to do the bi-fold doors for us too.

We called up the friendly guy from HA and fixed an appointment on 9 Apr to seal the deal. We also decided to upgrade the window grilles' material to double hollow 2mm with a middle vertical rod for extra durability. Back then, we didn't know and was on a budget since we just started working for a few years, so we settled down for just hollow ones. They didn't last long and we had to replace the window grilles in a few years' time. We upgraded the window grilles to double hollow with a middle vertical rod and they lasted much longer than the previous ones. With double hollow 2mm, we can feel that the material is even more solid than double hollow. We hope that they can last at least 8 to 10 years as we probably be still staying in our current flat, haha...

We choose blue tinted glass for the windows, white door frame with blue colour in the middle (design of the door and the blue colour as per the pictures below). 

What's next? We are going to meet IS to finalise the job scopes that we are going to award to him and sign the contract.